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Old 01-02-2009 | 11:24 AM
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i still dont get it you want to buy a expensive coilover setup to prevent rubbing of the tires but have it at stock or higher height.... that doesnt make sense at all to me besides you got so much money you just gotta spend it on something...

trust me replacing your stock suspension is alot more of a PITA to do then it is to just roll the fender lip on the rear fender.
if your lucky your car has never seen salt/winter maybe your bolts wont be siezed in the rear but its still possible.
o well end rant. youve already decided you want coilovers so go ahead and buy them and still have the same problem... bye.
 
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Old 01-02-2009 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by addiction2bass
i still dont get it you want to buy a expensive coilover setup to prevent rubbing of the tires but have it at stock or higher height.... that doesnt make sense at all to me besides you got so much money you just gotta spend it on something...

trust me replacing your stock suspension is alot more of a PITA to do then it is to just roll the fender lip on the rear fender.
if your lucky your car has never seen salt/winter maybe your bolts wont be siezed in the rear but its still possible.
o well end rant. youve already decided you want coilovers so go ahead and buy them and still have the same problem... bye.
The suspension is old and needs to be upgraded soon so it either needs to be upgraded to stock or something else, but I'm curious from what you see on the pictures if i go ahead and roll the fenders and the tire clears will the tires hit inside of the wheel well under complete compression? It seems the offset of the wheels is fine its just the fact that its 7" wide. Is there anyone else here using 17x7 40mm rolling on 205/40/17, who has rolled their fenders and resolved this issue? Maybe 43mm would have been best.

I'm in Los Angeles, we don't have snow.
 

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Old 01-02-2009 | 01:58 PM
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what I mean by premature compression is when you lift the car off of the ground with stock spring rates, then the suspension will decompress a lot as opposed to stiffer aftermarket coilover setups.
 
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Old 01-02-2009 | 02:39 PM
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few options...

cheapest would be to roll the fenders. this may not solve the problem if the tire is rubbing a lot. another choice would be get a camber kit and put some negative camber on it. a little negative camber and fender rolling would be best. another option, get some smaller wheels with a slightly higher offset.

your car isn't low at all and many people run wider tire setups(with proper wheel offset) and don't rub at all even when the suspension has a substantial amount of load on it.
 
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Old 01-02-2009 | 02:49 PM
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With 17x7's, 205/40-17 tires, and +40mm offsets, the tires will rub, but rolling the fenders will resolve the issue. Trust me, it's the offset, not the width; I had 17x7's with 205/40's, but my wheels' offset was +45mm, and I literally had next to no rubbing (the only times mine ever rubbed the fender were when I was going around a slow turn at full lock and hit a bump).

Anyway, like civicex said, roll the fender lips, get a camber kit to dial in a little negative camber in, and you'll be good. Or you can be cool like all the V-Dubbers and get stretched tires
 
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Old 01-02-2009 | 02:52 PM
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well my wheels are 17inch 7wide 42offset 4-100 4-114.3 bolt patterns
this is my old civic when i had it pretty low... i could go even lower BUT with the front i couldnt go much lower because the fronts where riding on the bump stops and for any lower i would have had to remove the inner fender splash guards, and the upper lip that sticks down i would have had to cut and roll it over flat as well to prevent cuting thru the tire ontop. and i also needed the upper extended top hats to give the front struts more travel.
simply rolling the fenders lips will bend the lip out of the way clear from the tire...
and when your rear suspension is compressed the tire is angled inwards on the top. if the tire can clear the lip youll be fine.
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mine where not completly rolled flat but enough to clear the tire that worked great!
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the factory lip seems to or at least ON MY black civic they looked like it was angled downwards just asking for tire shreading...
and mine didnt have those rubber covers over the lip, but my 96dx does.... tho i will pull them off and leave them off when i paint the car in the spring.

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i rolled the lip just slightly up which mainly rounds the metal lip which basicaly turns the knife into a spoon so even if the tire does happen to rub it wont slice right thru it!
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before ^
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all of my rolling pictures.
http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...der%20Rolling/

you can see a big difference... and its not even rolled that extreme! but it was enough for my 42mm offset wheels. since yours stick out alittle more they probably would need to be rolled alittle more than what mine looks like.
its very easy really this is basicaly all you do.... besides using a heat gun all around the lip to warm up the metal and the paint which makes the roller alittle easier and can help prevent the paint from cracking and chipping off.

and i did previously already heat the fender lip and it was a hot day and mine paint didnt really chip off but it did have some spider crack lines. and a chunk of previously repaired fender lip had some bondo that broke off but alittle spray paint and clear and no one could ever tell the difference!
and that was my first fender i rolled. biggest PITA was when the roller poped off the back lip around the bumper cover area as you can see i kept doing by accident.LOL it doesnt hurt anything just alittle paint to roll to the edge without going to far and poping the roller off the edge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHM-A_aFCoY

VERY EASY TO DO with the proper tool of course... beats the hell outta the ghetto fender rolling, and this is the msot popular GHETTO roller how to if your realy cheap and dont care if you mess up ur car... since it doesnt have any precision like the real tool does!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTK9IjKIYU
and yes.LOL i wish someone would translate for that guy.LOL
 
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Old 01-05-2009 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by civicexracer
few options...

cheapest would be to roll the fenders. this may not solve the problem if the tire is rubbing a lot. another choice would be get a camber kit and put some negative camber on it. a little negative camber and fender rolling would be best. another option, get some smaller wheels with a slightly higher offset.

your car isn't low at all and many people run wider tire setups(with proper wheel offset) and don't rub at all even when the suspension has a substantial amount of load on it.
Hehe i don't want to get negative camber going, but i'll probably look in to a higher offset.

Originally Posted by reaper2022
With 17x7's, 205/40-17 tires, and +40mm offsets, the tires will rub, but rolling the fenders will resolve the issue. Trust me, it's the offset, not the width; I had 17x7's with 205/40's, but my wheels' offset was +45mm, and I literally had next to no rubbing (the only times mine ever rubbed the fender were when I was going around a slow turn at full lock and hit a bump).

Anyway, like civicex said, roll the fender lips, get a camber kit to dial in a little negative camber in, and you'll be good. Or you can be cool like all the V-Dubbers and get stretched tires
Where exactly would your tires rub? i imagine that your offset would clear the fender completely, did it hit the top of wheel well or closer to wall? Are 17x7" just not a good size? Does anyone have 17x7" with no rubbing at all, if so what offset are you using?

Originally Posted by addiction2bass
well my wheels are 17inch 7wide 42offset 4-100 4-114.3 bolt patterns
this is my old civic when i had it pretty low... i could go even lower BUT with the front i couldnt go much lower because the fronts where riding on the bump stops and for any lower i would have had to remove the inner fender splash guards, and the upper lip that sticks down i would have had to cut and roll it over flat as well to prevent cuting thru the tire ontop. and i also needed the upper extended top hats to give the front struts more travel.
simply rolling the fenders lips will bend the lip out of the way clear from the tire...
and when your rear suspension is compressed the tire is angled inwards on the top. if the tire can clear the lip youll be fine.

the factory lip seems to or at least ON MY black civic they looked like it was angled downwards just asking for tire shreading...
and mine didnt have those rubber covers over the lip, but my 96dx does.... tho i will pull them off and leave them off when i paint the car in the spring.

i rolled the lip just slightly up which mainly rounds the metal lip which basicaly turns the knife into a spoon so even if the tire does happen to rub it wont slice right thru it!

before ^
after

all of my rolling pictures.
http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...der%20Rolling/

you can see a big difference... and its not even rolled that extreme! but it was enough for my 42mm offset wheels. since yours stick out alittle more they probably would need to be rolled alittle more than what mine looks like.
its very easy really this is basicaly all you do.... besides using a heat gun all around the lip to warm up the metal and the paint which makes the roller alittle easier and can help prevent the paint from cracking and chipping off.

and i did previously already heat the fender lip and it was a hot day and mine paint didnt really chip off but it did have some spider crack lines. and a chunk of previously repaired fender lip had some bondo that broke off but alittle spray paint and clear and no one could ever tell the difference!
and that was my first fender i rolled. biggest PITA was when the roller poped off the back lip around the bumper cover area as you can see i kept doing by accident.LOL it doesnt hurt anything just alittle paint to roll to the edge without going to far and poping the roller off the edge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHM-A_aFCoY

VERY EASY TO DO with the proper tool of course... beats the hell outta the ghetto fender rolling, and this is the msot popular GHETTO roller how to if your realy cheap and dont care if you mess up ur car... since it doesnt have any precision like the real tool does!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTK9IjKIYU
and yes.LOL i wish someone would translate for that guy.LOL
Thanks for all the info, i'll keep that in mind.
 
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Old 01-07-2009 | 08:18 AM
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Are 17x7" just not a good size? Does anyone have 17x7" with no rubbing at all, if so what offset are you using? Would 16" be the way to go, if so what offset and tire size. My friend is trying to see if he can sale his wheels instead.

Thanks you guys for all your help.
 
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Old 01-07-2009 | 12:59 PM
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for no rubbing on 17x7's, you need a +42mm offset. Reaper2022 had that on his old civic and he was slammed, with no rubbing.
17x7 is not really the preferred size, and I regret getting them. Soon i'll be getting some 15's, but you may like 16" more.

If they're 16x7, look for +42mm offset. If they're 16x6.5, i'm not sure of the offset.
Either way, pretty sure the tire size you want is 205/45/16
 
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Old 01-07-2009 | 07:39 PM
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Actually they were +45mm offset

And the front tires rubbed the fenders on slow turns at full lock only when I hit a bump; on smooth roads, they never rubbed

But a +42mm offset would be ideal.
 



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