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Old 11-10-2010 | 03:13 PM
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So after sealing the oil pan for the 4th time I took it out for a drive.
(this time I just used Honda bond, ran 2 large beads around the oil pan, torqued it down and let it dry for 50 plus hours before putting oil in)
Drove for about 20 minutes at highway speed. Pulled in the garage, and had an idle surging issue that I have been trying to figure out happen again. Spent a couple minutes disconnecting a sensor on the TB and disconnecting the battery to reset the code.
Looked under the car and there were already 3 or 4 drops of oil on the floor (less than 5 minutes)
Crawled under to look. Oil is dripping from the exhaust bracket that connects right behind the oil pan. There is a drop of oil forming on the pan below the front crank seal. There appears to be oil along the most of the back of the oil pan seal. Front is dry. The weird thing is that the oil is coming all the way down the exhaust bracket from the top. When I look from the top of the engine down through the intake manifold, the whole area is very wet (oily). Not just the dirty greasy mess like the rest of the engine, this looks like fresh oil. Although I am fairly sure the dizzy may be leaking there is very little wetness behind the lower part of the dizzy. This seems to be concentrated around the whole backside of the engine. There is even oil splatter on top of the oil filter.
What would be a likely cause of this much oil in that area? Is it possible that the oil from the oil pan could be blowing up instead of back?
I am just having a really hard time believing that I am incapable of sealing an oil pan.
 
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Old 11-10-2010 | 03:19 PM
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you did go on the highway that makes sense that the oil is blowing up and the few dots are when you finally stopped and the oil started coming back down?? I hate Oil pan leaks.. and valve cover leaks = pain in the ***. goodluck!
 
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Old 11-10-2010 | 03:32 PM
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Have you checked to see if oil pressure switch is leaking oil????
 
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Old 11-10-2010 | 03:34 PM
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There are parts on the back of the engine with oil in them. The oil filter of course, the pressure sensor above the oil filter, and if it's VTEC, the VTEC solenoid valve. All those parts have oil under pressure so they can leak like crazy when the engine is running. Also that box in your picture connected to the PCV valve is connected to the crankcase too.

You get a much better view from underneath.
 
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Old 11-10-2010 | 04:00 PM
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It is a pain to try to slide under there and aim a camera.

The canister thing right above and to the right of the oil filter is almost dripping wet.
This is a non Vtec engine. D16B 94 DX hatchback.

There is no fresh oil to the rear of the oil pan on the car. All of the fresh wetness is above on the engine or at the top of the oil pan.
Also from the above pic taken above the engine, I am having a hard time believing that oil would blow that far up the engine.
Also the splatter on the oil filter appears to only be on top of the filter, not the bottom.
 
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Old 11-10-2010 | 04:55 PM
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I had a problem like that once. It turned out that when I changed the oil filter, the old oil filter gasket stuck to the engine. So when I put the new one on, I had two gaskets. It drove fine for a while, then all of a sudden it started leaking oil like crazy. Any chance you did the same thing? I hope that helps.
 
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Old 11-10-2010 | 05:28 PM
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my best advise, clean the motor, then you will find your leak, also change your pcv valve
 
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Old 11-10-2010 | 05:37 PM
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I checked for an extra gasket when I put the oil filter on just in case. There is no oil right below the filter so I don't think it's leaking.
I have cleaned and cleaned that engine. Haven't found a good way to clean that area yet. I guess I need to pull the intake manifold and give it a good cleaning directly.
I did replace the PCV valve a couple of days ago, just in case that was causing an issue.
 
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Old 11-11-2010 | 06:30 AM
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have you replaced the o ring on the distributor?
to clean back there stop at a car wash at pressure wash it, you can stick the pressure gun inbetween the intake manifold and behind the intake manifold
 
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Old 11-11-2010 | 08:31 AM
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FWIW a distributor O' ring and a VTEC spool valve sealing kit can be had for about 20.00 at a Honda dealership. You can replace both items in about 15 minutes and cross those off of your list. Once those are done you can look elsewhere. These are two of the easiest, most inexpensive, and likeliest culprits for drippage. My spool valve leaked copious amounts of oil and made it look as though the entire lower portion of the engine was soaked.
 


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