98 Civic instrument lighting
#1
98 Civic instrument lighting
I bought the car for my daughter a few months ago. The dash lights were dim at best, but now are completely out. I have ruled out individual bulbs since they are all out at the same time. I pulled the switch and tested the resistance. The value remains constant throughout the dial range. That isn't right. I figured I could bypass the switch and just go full bright all the time, but whenI checked the 3 wire plug, I found the center wire is ground and the two red wires on left and right are hot at 12+ volts. It seems to me that one would be hot when the lights are on and the other hotonly when the lights are on, the switch is connected and adjusted to let some voltage through to illuminate the dash lights to the desired level. Any idea why they are both hot with the lights on and no switchplugged in?[>:]
#3
RE: 98 Civic instrument lighting
RonJ, Following the diagram it would appear that the red/blk is always hot but the red is only hot after passing through the resistor since they are not connected in any way, nor does the diagram indicate a power source to the red wire. Isn't that what you see?
#4
RE: 98 Civic instrument lighting
Ok, I just checked the plug. Blk gives .001 ohms to ground so I'm good there. Red is at 12+ volts and red/blk is at 12+ volts. The funny thing is I did a continuity check between red and red/blk and came up with .002 ohms. Something isn't right. There shouldn't be any continuity because that would completely negate the switch in the system. I need a hammer...
#5
RE: 98 Civic instrument lighting
Test 3 in picture 2 indicates that the red wire is indeed hot. The directions of the large open arrowheads in the circuit diagram (picture 1) confirm this idea.
#6
RE: 98 Civic instrument lighting
ORIGINAL: flattops
Ok, I just checked the plug. Blk gives .001 ohms to ground so I'm good there. Red is at 12+ volts and red/blk is at 12+ volts. The funny thing is I did a continuity check between red and red/blk and came up with .002 ohms. Something isn't right. There shouldn't be any continuity because that would completely negate the switch in the system. I need a hammer...
Ok, I just checked the plug. Blk gives .001 ohms to ground so I'm good there. Red is at 12+ volts and red/blk is at 12+ volts. The funny thing is I did a continuity check between red and red/blk and came up with .002 ohms. Something isn't right. There shouldn't be any continuity because that would completely negate the switch in the system. I need a hammer...
By the way, did you complete the tests described in picture 2? The results should confirm the need to replace the dimmer switch.
#7
RE: 98 Civic instrument lighting
You're right, the switch needs to be replaced. I still don't quite understand the flow, but that is a moot point. I appreciate your help. I will save the diagram and tests for future reference.
#8
RE: 98 Civic instrument lighting
ORIGINAL: flattops
...I figured I could bypass the switch and just go full bright all the time...
...I figured I could bypass the switch and just go full bright all the time...
#9
RE: 98 Civic instrument lighting
It's not a simple reostat. The module pulses the red wire to ground to control the brightness. If you want high brightness it sends long pulses with near 100% on time. To dim the lights it sends pulses with shorter on time, so the average voltage at the bulbs is less than 12 volts.
#10
RE: 98 Civic instrument lighting
ORIGINAL: mk378
It's not a simple reostat. The module pulses the red wire to ground to control the brightness. If you want high brightness it sends long pulses with near 100% on time. To dim the lights it sends pulses with shorter on time, so the average voltage at the bulbs is less than 12 volts.
It's not a simple reostat. The module pulses the red wire to ground to control the brightness. If you want high brightness it sends long pulses with near 100% on time. To dim the lights it sends pulses with shorter on time, so the average voltage at the bulbs is less than 12 volts.