need opinion on ebay exhaust
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10-24-2009 | 08:13 PM
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need opinion on ebay exhaust
i was thinking about purchasing this exhaust but i wanted to get your guys opinion.. thanks in advance!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tab%3DWatching
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tab%3DWatching
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10-24-2009 | 08:59 PM
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I'll be the first on this thread to say it: You get what you pay for. There's a reason that all those parts are only $95. To get brand name stuff you'd be looking at minimum 5x that price and it is worth the price. First of all, ebay headers are known to not fit and the welds break, they are cheaply made. And to have a cat included in that for that price, which a cat would run you the cost of that set, I doubt it'll do anything. And as for the actualy cat back, expect it to be loud and raspy, those cheap mufflers don't sound good at all, unless you enjoy the rice they are stuffed with. Honestly, save money and get a quality set up, you won't be sorry. Go with like Megan Racing header, Magnaflow high flow cat (kinda unnecessary), and like an Apexi WS2 (favorite among many on this forum) or my preference, GReddy Evo2, but check out vids on youtube to get an idea of their sound. Turned out to be quite the essay I wrote, I hope something in here helps you 
#3
10-24-2009 | 11:07 PM
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The header might fit, it might not. If it fits, it might last, it might not. Those are really a big chance item.
The "cat" isn't really a catalytic converter, it's a resonated test pipe.
The catback... on my old Civic I used to have a APEX'i WS2 but I took it off to use on my del Sol and then I bought that same exact eBay catback for the Civic so that it was sellable. The exhaust itself is decent quality, but it sounds really bad.
The "cat" isn't really a catalytic converter, it's a resonated test pipe.
The catback... on my old Civic I used to have a APEX'i WS2 but I took it off to use on my del Sol and then I bought that same exact eBay catback for the Civic so that it was sellable. The exhaust itself is decent quality, but it sounds really bad.
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10-25-2009 | 07:40 AM
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go with a SRI, they're cheaper, quicker and easier to install and pretty much offer the same performance/sound gains a CAI would.
as with exhausts, these are good examples of good and bad:
rsr exmag - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjQ8ynVfMBI
greddy sp2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDNf1bWtE-g
apexi ws2(what I own) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbnC3NEkDQ8
mugen twin loop - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4-Zo0aQmuA
cheap no name exhaust - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc-pOu9F2ss
as with exhausts, these are good examples of good and bad:
rsr exmag - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjQ8ynVfMBI
greddy sp2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDNf1bWtE-g
apexi ws2(what I own) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbnC3NEkDQ8
mugen twin loop - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4-Zo0aQmuA
cheap no name exhaust - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc-pOu9F2ss
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#6
10-25-2009 | 09:29 AM
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I'm just going to dissect the description and point out why I wouldn't trust this company to sell me a lug nut.
Well, first off, they start out strong, with a good bit of optimism as well as straight-up lying, but they are trying to sell a product. They do get one thing right, and that's that a well-designed exhaust can make a world of difference. Unfortunately, they seem to forget that they're selling a $95 full exhaust on eBay. It seems like a small oversight on their part. And they feel the need to point out that their system lowers back-pressure. Well, no sh*t, Sherlock. You essentially made a series of tubes. You eliminated the cat, your resonator is probably a hollow tube, and I'm sure the muffler is a straight-through glasspack design. Any retard with any knowledge of metal fabrication and a pipe bender can make a system with as much engineering as yours in his basement over the course of a few hours. As far as horsepower and torque, you might see a slight improvement at the top of the power-band as the stock exhaust is a restriction at high rpm's. Exhaust note is subjective, so I technically can't say they're wrong, but f*ck it, I'm going to do it anyway because I can. They're wrong, and their idea of a "better sound" is a p*ssed-off bumblebee in in a tin can in front of a megaphone. End of story.
Well, they do correctly state that the only way to make more power is to get more air and more fuel in and out of the engine as fast and efficiently as possible. But I don't think I'd trust a company that describes stock exhaust manifolds like this. They make it sound like the stock exhaust manifolds are just clumps of cast iron the manufacturer slapped onto the head. I mean, seriously? The exhaust from each cylinder has to fight the gas from the other cylinders? And stock exhaust manifolds create back-pressure? I was under the assumption that back-pressure was caused by things like the changes in tubing size (anybody notice the B-pipe is larger than the axle-back from the factory?) and restrictions like crush-bends, the cat, the resonator, and the muffler. But what do I know? I mean, I'm only a professional mechanic who's been working on cars since he was 14 and spends his spare time doing research on cars. Also, I'm just going to point out that if the factory exhaust manifold was that terrible, you'd feel a difference when you swapped it out for an aftermarket one. But since a header nets almost no gain over the factory manifold, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Honda didn't leave much on the table when they designed the D16, exhaust manifold included.
Okay, here it just starts getting redonkulous. So by slapping an eBay cold-air intake, header, cat, and cat-back, you're reaching the full potential of air that your engine can flow? Really? So I guess there's no need to move up to a bigger throttle body, a better intake manifold, port-polish the head, and throw a larger cam in there? You just have to throw on a cheap intake and exhaust? Man, my idea of engine theory has been wrong this whole time! It sure is a good thing I came across this eBay ad with a detailed description of how you can make your engine "perform at its potential" with something like $200 worth of eBay products. And let's not even get started with equal-length manifolds. I mean, everyone knows they're just designed to look pretty. It's not like a Bisimoto piece has been independently proven to gain almost as much power as they're advertising this entire system for by itself on a mostly stock engine or anything.
I really can't say much about this; technically it's presented as an opinion disguised as a fact. Notice they say nothing about the quality of the construction, but only the quality of the material. That'd be a big red flag, guys. But super light weight? Really? You're losing, what, maybe 5lbs off your car? And again with the airflow thing. Because we all know volumetric efficiency don't have sh*t on eBay intakes and exhaust. And their products are dyno-proven, eh? They're going to increase low end torque and horse powers? Golly, I wish my car had horse powers. On a serious note, I've already explained that with an exhaust like this you gain top-end at the expense of low-end torque.
Upgrading vehicle’s exhaust system is a great way to build horsepower, free up trapped torque, and improve upon restrictive factory systems. The larger pipes, low-restriction mufflers, and tuned resonators of a well-designed performance exhaust system can make a world of difference on your vehicle. The net result is lower exhaust backpressure, more horsepower, more torque, and a much better sound.
Well, first off, they start out strong, with a good bit of optimism as well as straight-up lying, but they are trying to sell a product. They do get one thing right, and that's that a well-designed exhaust can make a world of difference. Unfortunately, they seem to forget that they're selling a $95 full exhaust on eBay. It seems like a small oversight on their part. And they feel the need to point out that their system lowers back-pressure. Well, no sh*t, Sherlock. You essentially made a series of tubes. You eliminated the cat, your resonator is probably a hollow tube, and I'm sure the muffler is a straight-through glasspack design. Any retard with any knowledge of metal fabrication and a pipe bender can make a system with as much engineering as yours in his basement over the course of a few hours. As far as horsepower and torque, you might see a slight improvement at the top of the power-band as the stock exhaust is a restriction at high rpm's. Exhaust note is subjective, so I technically can't say they're wrong, but f*ck it, I'm going to do it anyway because I can. They're wrong, and their idea of a "better sound" is a p*ssed-off bumblebee in in a tin can in front of a megaphone. End of story.
Getting more air into your engine and more exhaust out is the key to a performance motor. That's where exhaust headers come in. Exhaust performance headers do away with the performance-robbing exhaust manifold that came with your car. Headers provide each cylinder with its own mini exhaust pipe, which means exhaust headers prevent the backpressure that occurs in a common exhaust manifold. When cylinders don't have to fight each other to expel their exhaust, they can put more power through the wheels
Well, they do correctly state that the only way to make more power is to get more air and more fuel in and out of the engine as fast and efficiently as possible. But I don't think I'd trust a company that describes stock exhaust manifolds like this. They make it sound like the stock exhaust manifolds are just clumps of cast iron the manufacturer slapped onto the head. I mean, seriously? The exhaust from each cylinder has to fight the gas from the other cylinders? And stock exhaust manifolds create back-pressure? I was under the assumption that back-pressure was caused by things like the changes in tubing size (anybody notice the B-pipe is larger than the axle-back from the factory?) and restrictions like crush-bends, the cat, the resonator, and the muffler. But what do I know? I mean, I'm only a professional mechanic who's been working on cars since he was 14 and spends his spare time doing research on cars. Also, I'm just going to point out that if the factory exhaust manifold was that terrible, you'd feel a difference when you swapped it out for an aftermarket one. But since a header nets almost no gain over the factory manifold, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Honda didn't leave much on the table when they designed the D16, exhaust manifold included.
Combined with a high performance cold air intake, and a cat-back exhaust system, a header system will remove all restrictions and your engine will perform at its potential.
Okay, here it just starts getting redonkulous. So by slapping an eBay cold-air intake, header, cat, and cat-back, you're reaching the full potential of air that your engine can flow? Really? So I guess there's no need to move up to a bigger throttle body, a better intake manifold, port-polish the head, and throw a larger cam in there? You just have to throw on a cheap intake and exhaust? Man, my idea of engine theory has been wrong this whole time! It sure is a good thing I came across this eBay ad with a detailed description of how you can make your engine "perform at its potential" with something like $200 worth of eBay products. And let's not even get started with equal-length manifolds. I mean, everyone knows they're just designed to look pretty. It's not like a Bisimoto piece has been independently proven to gain almost as much power as they're advertising this entire system for by itself on a mostly stock engine or anything.
Brand New Stainless Steel exhaust Test Pipe! Made with high quality T304 stainless steel. Metal gasket and bolts included. Super light weight. Maximize Air Flow! Dyno proven increase low end torque and horse powers. Add Instant (10-15 hp).
I really can't say much about this; technically it's presented as an opinion disguised as a fact. Notice they say nothing about the quality of the construction, but only the quality of the material. That'd be a big red flag, guys. But super light weight? Really? You're losing, what, maybe 5lbs off your car? And again with the airflow thing. Because we all know volumetric efficiency don't have sh*t on eBay intakes and exhaust. And their products are dyno-proven, eh? They're going to increase low end torque and horse powers? Golly, I wish my car had horse powers. On a serious note, I've already explained that with an exhaust like this you gain top-end at the expense of low-end torque.
#7
10-25-2009 | 11:19 AM
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my brother had this exhaust on his civic, i think it sounded nice fore a while then just got annoying, we thought the quality was good because we never had a problem with it, haha pretty dam good for 100$ in total, stayed on good and didnt rust, but also we only had it on the car for about 1.5 years. then we sold the vehicle. as for the headers i dont know if theyre good or bad.
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#10
08-28-2012 | 03:09 PM
I'm just going to dissect the description and point out why I wouldn't trust this company to sell me a lug nut.
Well, first off, they start out strong, with a good bit of optimism as well as straight-up lying, but they are trying to sell a product. They do get one thing right, and that's that a well-designed exhaust can make a world of difference. Unfortunately, they seem to forget that they're selling a $95 full exhaust on eBay. It seems like a small oversight on their part. And they feel the need to point out that their system lowers back-pressure. Well, no sh*t, Sherlock. You essentially made a series of tubes. You eliminated the cat, your resonator is probably a hollow tube, and I'm sure the muffler is a straight-through glasspack design. Any retard with any knowledge of metal fabrication and a pipe bender can make a system with as much engineering as yours in his basement over the course of a few hours. As far as horsepower and torque, you might see a slight improvement at the top of the power-band as the stock exhaust is a restriction at high rpm's. Exhaust note is subjective, so I technically can't say they're wrong, but f*ck it, I'm going to do it anyway because I can. They're wrong, and their idea of a "better sound" is a p*ssed-off bumblebee in in a tin can in front of a megaphone. End of story.
Well, they do correctly state that the only way to make more power is to get more air and more fuel in and out of the engine as fast and efficiently as possible. But I don't think I'd trust a company that describes stock exhaust manifolds like this. They make it sound like the stock exhaust manifolds are just clumps of cast iron the manufacturer slapped onto the head. I mean, seriously? The exhaust from each cylinder has to fight the gas from the other cylinders? And stock exhaust manifolds create back-pressure? I was under the assumption that back-pressure was caused by things like the changes in tubing size (anybody notice the B-pipe is larger than the axle-back from the factory?) and restrictions like crush-bends, the cat, the resonator, and the muffler. But what do I know? I mean, I'm only a professional mechanic who's been working on cars since he was 14 and spends his spare time doing research on cars. Also, I'm just going to point out that if the factory exhaust manifold was that terrible, you'd feel a difference when you swapped it out for an aftermarket one. But since a header nets almost no gain over the factory manifold, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Honda didn't leave much on the table when they designed the D16, exhaust manifold included.
Okay, here it just starts getting redonkulous. So by slapping an eBay cold-air intake, header, cat, and cat-back, you're reaching the full potential of air that your engine can flow? Really? So I guess there's no need to move up to a bigger throttle body, a better intake manifold, port-polish the head, and throw a larger cam in there? You just have to throw on a cheap intake and exhaust? Man, my idea of engine theory has been wrong this whole time! It sure is a good thing I came across this eBay ad with a detailed description of how you can make your engine "perform at its potential" with something like $200 worth of eBay products. And let's not even get started with equal-length manifolds. I mean, everyone knows they're just designed to look pretty. It's not like a Bisimoto piece has been independently proven to gain almost as much power as they're advertising this entire system for by itself on a mostly stock engine or anything.
I really can't say much about this; technically it's presented as an opinion disguised as a fact. Notice they say nothing about the quality of the construction, but only the quality of the material. That'd be a big red flag, guys. But super light weight? Really? You're losing, what, maybe 5lbs off your car? And again with the airflow thing. Because we all know volumetric efficiency don't have sh*t on eBay intakes and exhaust. And their products are dyno-proven, eh? They're going to increase low end torque and horse powers? Golly, I wish my car had horse powers. On a serious note, I've already explained that with an exhaust like this you gain top-end at the expense of low-end torque.
Well, first off, they start out strong, with a good bit of optimism as well as straight-up lying, but they are trying to sell a product. They do get one thing right, and that's that a well-designed exhaust can make a world of difference. Unfortunately, they seem to forget that they're selling a $95 full exhaust on eBay. It seems like a small oversight on their part. And they feel the need to point out that their system lowers back-pressure. Well, no sh*t, Sherlock. You essentially made a series of tubes. You eliminated the cat, your resonator is probably a hollow tube, and I'm sure the muffler is a straight-through glasspack design. Any retard with any knowledge of metal fabrication and a pipe bender can make a system with as much engineering as yours in his basement over the course of a few hours. As far as horsepower and torque, you might see a slight improvement at the top of the power-band as the stock exhaust is a restriction at high rpm's. Exhaust note is subjective, so I technically can't say they're wrong, but f*ck it, I'm going to do it anyway because I can. They're wrong, and their idea of a "better sound" is a p*ssed-off bumblebee in in a tin can in front of a megaphone. End of story.
Well, they do correctly state that the only way to make more power is to get more air and more fuel in and out of the engine as fast and efficiently as possible. But I don't think I'd trust a company that describes stock exhaust manifolds like this. They make it sound like the stock exhaust manifolds are just clumps of cast iron the manufacturer slapped onto the head. I mean, seriously? The exhaust from each cylinder has to fight the gas from the other cylinders? And stock exhaust manifolds create back-pressure? I was under the assumption that back-pressure was caused by things like the changes in tubing size (anybody notice the B-pipe is larger than the axle-back from the factory?) and restrictions like crush-bends, the cat, the resonator, and the muffler. But what do I know? I mean, I'm only a professional mechanic who's been working on cars since he was 14 and spends his spare time doing research on cars. Also, I'm just going to point out that if the factory exhaust manifold was that terrible, you'd feel a difference when you swapped it out for an aftermarket one. But since a header nets almost no gain over the factory manifold, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Honda didn't leave much on the table when they designed the D16, exhaust manifold included.
Okay, here it just starts getting redonkulous. So by slapping an eBay cold-air intake, header, cat, and cat-back, you're reaching the full potential of air that your engine can flow? Really? So I guess there's no need to move up to a bigger throttle body, a better intake manifold, port-polish the head, and throw a larger cam in there? You just have to throw on a cheap intake and exhaust? Man, my idea of engine theory has been wrong this whole time! It sure is a good thing I came across this eBay ad with a detailed description of how you can make your engine "perform at its potential" with something like $200 worth of eBay products. And let's not even get started with equal-length manifolds. I mean, everyone knows they're just designed to look pretty. It's not like a Bisimoto piece has been independently proven to gain almost as much power as they're advertising this entire system for by itself on a mostly stock engine or anything.
I really can't say much about this; technically it's presented as an opinion disguised as a fact. Notice they say nothing about the quality of the construction, but only the quality of the material. That'd be a big red flag, guys. But super light weight? Really? You're losing, what, maybe 5lbs off your car? And again with the airflow thing. Because we all know volumetric efficiency don't have sh*t on eBay intakes and exhaust. And their products are dyno-proven, eh? They're going to increase low end torque and horse powers? Golly, I wish my car had horse powers. On a serious note, I've already explained that with an exhaust like this you gain top-end at the expense of low-end torque.
^^win^^ haha
i know people have already mentioned this but i say apexi WS2 also. i run that with a skunk 2 test pipe and i couldn't be happier. nice and deep unlike all the other fart cans in town
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